Dual Predestiantion

[CharlieK]

Can we say that God is not ultimately responsible for sin in the world?  It is often said that God allows sin, but what about specific sins?  Jesus would have never gone to the cross were it not for the ordination of every small act of sin of all the individuals involved.  This requires more than just allowing man's unregenerate nature to run rampant.  Is there a way to solve this dilemma, or ultimately do we have to accept it as a mystery?  I have thought about this quite a bit, bit it came to mind again today as I read Proverbs 16:4 "The Lord has made all for Himself, yes, even the wicked for the day of doom."  This verse seems to say that those who are not the elect were created for destruction.  Though this is hard to understand, I am having a hard time finding a way around it...?

[dmday3000]

There are two views on Double-Predestination. the positive/positive view which says God is actively intervening in the lives of the elect to bring them to salvation and He is actively intervening in the lives of the lost to ensure their destruction. For this view to work your presupposition must allow for God to be the author of sin, which in theology is absolutely not allowed.

The other view, positive/negative, says that God actively intervenes in the lives of the elect to ensure thier salvation, and He passes over the non-elect. This view keeps consistent the presupposition that God cannot be the author of sin, nor can any evil be attributed to Him.

[Rick M]

Sorry so late but i figured I'd try...at least by default the "non-elect" are elected to hell. Of course God doesn't actively work or cause sin in  their lives. Even so, they were not chosen in eternity past. In  a logical sense, they were elected to being the "non-elect." By default the place they'll go is hell. Their not pushed there, but  their place is made secure when they were not chosen.